Attached is an article which has just been published
in The SPECTRUM Newspaper, and which I wrote. It is a second, updated interview
with the controversial author Eric Jon Phelps, who wrote the newly release book
titled VATICAN ASSASSINS: "Wounded In The House Of My Friends" -- available
through Wisdom Books and Press 877-280-2866 ($34.95 plus shipping). The
book also contains a gift CD-Rom with 13 rare books on the subject of Jesuit
History). Feel free to post this interview, if you wish.
No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without
the knowledge of the Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation
exists in which the Vatican does not play an important explicit or implicit
role. — Avro Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of Malta, English Historian and
Agitator, 1960, The Vatican And World Politics.
The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology
by which every law, Divine and human, may be broken with impunity, and by
which the very Bulls of Popes may be defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a
religion to be abhorred by all honest and honorable men. — M. F. Cusack,
Converted Nun of Kenmare, 1896, The Black
The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the
rattlesnake is coiled at our feet, climbing to strike us in the heart. — Edwin
A. Sherman, American Shriner Freemason, Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The
Engineer Corps Of Hell.
You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know
him as a consummate researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives
his truth. Our readers will know him best as my interviewee in our now infamous
May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM—the issue that is known far and wide as the “Black
Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN
ASSASSINS, an incredibly well researched historical manuscript which shows the
reader, in astonishing detail, where the TRUE diabolical power and control of
this planet resides—at least that controlling layer which is in the physical
VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number
of priceless old documents and historical manuscripts that “certain ones” have
done their very best to remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves.
Most of these documents are so rare that just getting these back into public
access and circulation is a great service to all students of history thirsty for
There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that
we decided to revisit a number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling
questions. After all, the kind of connections which Eric makes are an entire
level deeper than what we are used to hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena.
Moreover, we have noted, with some degree of surprise and “unveiling” over the
past year or so, just who all have come forward to attack Eric’s
work—groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These ones know who
they are and have, by their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly
revealed just who they really work for, while pretending to be presenters of
While it was my intent to focus the majority of the
conversation on the present day, there were some unresolved issues from the past
that likewise required clarification. On June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to
sit down with Eric Phelps, face-to-face, and prevail upon him to answer a few
key questions. Let’s see what he has to say.
Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope” issue of
The SPECTRUM—went around the world a few times. It’s also been on the Internet
for quite some time. The manuscript of VATICAN ASSASSINS has been distributed,
but still no book. What’s happening with the book? Why is it taking so long
to come out in book form?
Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize
the book is because there were several historical mistakes that were corrected
by some of the readers of the manuscripts, the first and second
There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who
corrected me on some of the Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the
Shogans, for which I thanked him and made the necessary changes.
There were a few other similar changes that I had to make
with regard to dates, places, and some times; just a polishing-up of the
manuscript, so that it’s ready now.
We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got
out of the Jesuit Order. He read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And
he sent us a list of corrections, which we incorporated into the manuscript. So,
there have been many people who have added their polishing touches to it, for
which I am thankful.
[Editor’s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280-2866 is
accepting advance orders for VATICAN ASSASSINS, the 700-page book, which should
be completed by the second or third week in July. The cost for this huge volume
is only $34.95, which includes a gift CD-ROM containing 13 rare books mostly
“missing” from the world’s library shelves.]
Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation
largely on the present day. But, before we get to the present, I would ask you
to, once and for all, clarify something for our readers who may be still confused
about The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion.
There have been many sources and many reciting's of The
Protocols. They’ve been called a fraud. They’ve been called a forgery, which
means that there was a document that preceded it that it had to be based on.
Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the Khazars, as the authors of The
Protocols, and yet your research indicates otherwise.
Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned
Elders Of Zion?
Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius
XII (Hitler’s Pope), a very powerful Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican.
According to Alberto Rivera, when speaking with Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said
to him that The Protocols were written by Jews loyal to the Pope.
I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe
Alberto Rivera was told the whole story, because he did not have a “need to
know”. Withholding information has always been standard procedure for the
I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols,
and the men who were loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits,
according to Leo Lehmann—the ex-Irish Catholic priest who became converted to
Christ and set-up the mission there in New York City, Converted Catholics For
Christ. He said that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols, and that this is no new
attempt of deception, based on their document that they wrote concerning their
attack on the Jansenists, which was called The Secrets Of The Elders Of
So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The
Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is
identical to The Secret Meeting At Cheiri .
However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly,
born-again, Bible-believing, Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment
ago. He wrote a book entitled Behind The Dictators, first written in 1942, and
there were two editions after that. I have the 1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann
says that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols. But before I get into that, I would
just like to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.
“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary
education there from the nuns and Christian brothers. He began his study for the
priesthood at Mungret College, Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In
1918, he went to finish his theological studies at the University of Propaganda
Fide in Rome, where he was ordained a priest in 1921. He later studied at New
York University from which he received the degree of M.A.
“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr.
Lehmann was recalled to Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts
concerning a legal case in which he had been engaged, while a student in Rome,
on behalf of many American bishops and priests against the Jesuits. He later
returned to South Africa, but was transferred to the United States in 1927 and
appointed pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida. Dr. Lehmann is
now director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor-In-Chief of The
Converted Catholic magazine.”
So, here is a born-again, Bible-believing man who had been an
Irish priest, who had run-ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were
all about. When you’re involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the
law. And you know the history of who you are opposing.
Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols.
This is found in his book, Behind The Dictators, on page 15:
“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of
[The Learned Elders Of] Zion had their origin in France and date from the
Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits were the chief instigators. They were
planned also first to take effect in France, by the overthrow of the
‘Judaic-Masonic’ government of the French Republic. But the discovery of the
gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the
concluding of the Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties
with the French government at that time, made it more opportune to have them
appear first in Russia.
“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the
first documents of their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.
“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared,
the Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of
The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine against Jansenism—an anti-Jesuit French Catholic
movement among the secular clergy.”
Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what
we would call, really, Catholic Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of
God. They believed in justification by faith. They believed in many Biblical
doctrines, and therefore the Jesuits hated them and later got the Pope to issue
a Bull against them.
The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal
was one, that they concocted this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of
Bourg-Fontaine, against them.
Martin: What year was this?
Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may
have been the late 1600s, because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in
the later 1600s.
[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY
interesting person here, much like the great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years
later. Blaise Pascal, 1623-62, was a great mathematician, physicist, theologian,
and man-of-letters, born in Clermont-Ferrand, France. In 1647 he invented a
calculating machine, and later the barometer, the hydraulic press, and the
syringe. Until 1654 he spent his time between mathematics (remember Pascal’s
triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric discoveries?) and the
social round in Paris, but a mystical experience that year led him to join his
sister, who was a member of the Jansenist convent at Port-Royal, where he
defended Jansenism against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales,
Now, I’ll go back to my reading:
“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret
assemblage in the forest of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the ‘conspirators’ to
destroy the Papacy and establish religious tolerance among all nations; the
alleged plot against Throne and Altar, and the setting up of a world-government
in opposition to the Catholic Church. There is the same dramatization of the
negative pole of the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring out, by
contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all conservative
forces—the monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather to save
the world from Satan’s onslaught.”
Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except
in The Protocols, it’s Communism. Both documents want a world government, under
someone other than the Pope. So, it betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The
Protocols, based upon The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine; and
furthermore, after this document, The Secrets Of the Elders of Bourge-Fontaine,
the next major document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit Conspiracy—The Secret
Plan Of The Order, which was published in 1848.
In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a
novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where he, when he was snooping around in a back
room, became trapped when Jesuit General Roothaan and his provincials came in
another room and he listened to this conversation between the General and his
provincials—in the mid-1830s, around 1834—and while he was hiding, he was taking
They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon
setting-up a World Government by controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the
Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all the governments of the world. And that is
in Leone’s great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy, published in 1848.
It was published in several languages. It went all throughout
Europe, which contributed to the people rising-up against the power of the
Jesuits in 1848, with the Second French Revolution. But that revolution was
controlled, the leadership of it was controlled, and the end result was more
power for the Jesuit Order in Europe.
Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth
of the Dreyfus Affair [1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council of Trent
[twenty-five sessions of the Council of Trent from 1545-1563]. Can you put this
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish
hatred in Germany and in France in the late 1800s. There was a man referred to
in Ridpath’s Universal History Of the World—I only found this here—he called his
work “the solution to the Jewish question”. Hitler came along, later, and had
the FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they were fomenting anti-Jewish
hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in
Martin: Who are they?
Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this
in both countries because, at this time, the Jesuits had been expelled from
Germany in 1872, and they had been expelled from France in 1880. So now they’re
going to go after the Jews through their agents in these two
In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in
the 1890s. The Dreyfus Affair had several purposes. It was to create
anti-Semitism—anti-Jewish hatred in France.
I hate to use the word anti-Semitism. There are many Semites
other than Jews. And it was also calculated to create war with Germany, because
Captain Dreyfus was accused of treason in handing secrets over to the German
government. It was all a frame.
He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for
10 years, and suffered the horrible tortures of Devil’s Island for that period
of time. And then, later, when he was brought back, he was vindicated and found
“not guilty”, and the Jesuits were blamed for having done this. So this became
universally known in France, which ultimately caused the Jesuits to be expelled,
again, in 1901.
The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the
Jesuit hand, against the Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and
Germany. Because, remember, the French hated the Germans as a result of the
trouncing that they got in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted
vengeance for that.
So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue
between Germany and France, we use the Jews to do it so we can get some
anti-Jewish fervor going, which ultimately manifests itself in 1942 with the
Vichy government in France, when they help the Nazis round-up all the Jews in
France and send them to Auschwitz.
And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the
Jesuits were formally readmitted into France. That’s the significance of the
Martin: And what is the significance of the Council
of Trent in relation to all of these?
Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us
Bible-believers are, all Protestants and all Jews—puts all of us under more than
100 curses because of what we believe:
We believe in justification by faith.
“Accursed be all who believe in justification by
We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of
salvation, and that it is not necessary for salvation.
“Accursed be all those who believe that.”
We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread
and the wine are NOT the literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of
Trent teaches, therefore we are accursed because we do not believe in
And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment.
He has a right to read the Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means;
that the Bible should be in the language of the people, because this the
foundation of freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and freedom of the
All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of
Trent are condemned, anybody who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of
conscience, and freedom of the press.
So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The
Protocols when The Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom
of the press; they condemn national governments and national
You see, Bible-believers, we believe in national
We do not believe in World Government.
We believe America should be governed by
We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese,
We do not believe, we do not want, a European
We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized
We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why
the South seceded and left the United States, because they wanted to set-up
their own national sovereignty; it was a Protestant maxim upon which they
Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets
Of The Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by
Leone in 1848. And hence, now we have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx
and his Communist Manifesto, because Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY
Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The
Secret Plan, etc. Who were the men behind these, historically?
Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit
General after Loyola; Laynez was the second Jesuit General. He was the
MASTER-MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a
Jew by race. This is very important. And it’s the result of Laynez being a Jew,
when this was brought to light in 1593, that the Order passed a statute that NO
JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY important. This is why
Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the Order for a Jew
to be in the Order.
Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all
Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati,
with the House of Rothschild, for the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of
Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing the Jesuit Order.
So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the
supervision, at least initially, of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in
Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.
Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?
Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the
Society from the 1830s to the mid-1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who
oversaw The Secret Plan At Chieri, of which Leone overheard and then wrote
Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking
Phelps: Extremely key.
Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?
Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late
1800s and early 1900s. He was the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking
of the Titanic.
Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn
the historical conclusion that the Jesuits sank the Titanic?
Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present,
on site, on the ship, prior to it’s sinking. When we have a powerful
organization that is working together, such as the Jesuit Order, and the power
that they had prior to their suppression, and that they had never changed, and
they are still working toward a World Government under the Pope, we look for the
Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the
We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where
they are at the moment, did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer
is: Yes, they did.
They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment
of the Federal Reserve Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the
Knights of Malta, with their various trusts and so on. They never own anything
outright; they always own it through a trusted third party.
How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve
Bank? Because the Federal Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty
Years War”—from 1914 to 1945—in which everything that transpired fell out for
the benefit of the Vatican, everything.
Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man
in Ireland, the Jesuit Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking
pictures of all those who would be going down. And then, right before it departs
Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the North Sea, “the lucky priest departed
off the ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who narrated Secrets Of The
It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen
has been to the Jesuit Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania.
Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy of the Jesuits.
The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting
the establishment of a centralized bank in America, particularly John Jacob
Astor, who was a personal friend of Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And
Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment of the central bank.
Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three
Jewish men who went down with the Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your
attention on Astor?
Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world,
some say the wealthiest man in the world. But he was, most definitely, the
wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money than the Pope. But he was the
wealthiest man in the world and he was using his wealth NOT in accord with the
Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the
money trust, which can be found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access,
now, to the Astor fortune. They control it now. But, at that time, they got rid
of Astor because they wanted his fortune, and they wanted to end his resistance
to the establishment of a national bank. And they do this pursuant to The Secret
Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows and other people who
And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew.
That story revolves around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the
Jesuits killing-off every member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have
the fortune when it would be opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in
Paris. And the man who held the fortune in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they
got rid of Astor.
Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about
Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the
Jesuits, who control Hollywood. And, therefore, a lot of the lines were authored
One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison
was sitting at the table and he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking
differently. We’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. White is black, and black
That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises.
[Ignatius Loyola was the founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the
people that they believe the hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is
black and black is white, if the hierarchy says so. That’s right out of the
Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s
staff, is approached by an FBI agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him
over to their side, that FBI agent says: “There’s going to be millions of people
who are going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get away from Garrison. He’s going
down with the Titanic.”
That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were
behind the Kennedy assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s
investigation, were the same men who sunk the Titanic.
Martin: I’m looking at the front-page headline from a
little-known rag-sheet, and the current headline that I’m reading says:
“Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti-Christ.” Now, what can you explain to our
readers about who might be behind such a headline, and what is the AGENDA of
such a headline?
[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with
the publication should know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of
the CONTACT newspaper.]
Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas,
hate the Jews.
And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist
The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control
Zionist Israel. They HATE the Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I’m not
speaking of Judaism. I’m not speaking of their evil religion, that openly and
notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah; even Josephus realized Jesus was the
I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the
Jewish race, I’m speaking of the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and
their physical descendants. That’s what I mean when I speak of the
Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as
the Jewish race. They are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, &
XI, it speaks specifically about the Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that
Christ spoke in John, Chapter IV, we know whom we worship for salvation is of
So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul
identified himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew,
Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous terms; they are the physical, racial
descendants of Jacob. And, therefore, the Abraham covenant and promises apply to
them, and they have not been fulfilled to this day. They are in the great
diaspora—they are in the great dispersion.
And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises,
has set-out to destroy the Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest
tool in the destruction of the Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.
Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just
read to you has an agenda behind it?
Martin: And what is that agenda?
Phelps: The agenda is to create world-wide anti-Jewish
fury, in every nation of the world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel
for their final annihilation when the Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth
and when the anti-Christ, the risen Pope, brings in the armies of the Earth
in his last, mad attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so that they cannot inherent
the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind
this publication, it’s easy enough to draw the conclusion, from what you’re
saying, that the Jesuits, who control the intelligence community, would be
specifically behind this agenda to foment hate and agitation against the Jewish
Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews,
because there are more American Jews, here in this country, than there are in
Israel. And one of their agendas in the next 10-20 years is to create
anti-Jewish fury, and to drive the American Jews back to Israel, killing
millions of them, as well, here, because they’re planning to bring their Roman
Catholic Fascist dictator to power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany;
just like they did with Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in
Spain; just like they did with Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact
agenda here. They’re going to do it through the Republican, “New Right” party,
of which George Bush is now the head.
Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately
concerning the Right-Wing militia movement possibly being influenced with
another agenda. Can you talk about that?
I’ll just say up-front that this is going to strike at the
heart of many people’s belief system. And some may have difficulty with what you
Phelps: The Right-Wing militia groups—the posse
comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the Minutemen, they all have one thing in common:
they all hate the Jews. That puts up a flag for me. And if they all hate the
Jews, that tells me that they have been imbibed, or indoctrinated, with hatred
for the Jews. They all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do the Black Moslems
[Muslims]. Louis Farrakhan openly hands-out The Protocols Of The Learned Elders
Of Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems, on the
So, the Right-Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled
by the Jesuits because they are all anti-Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT
THE JESUIT ORDER. NOTHING!
Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just
don’t have a clue about the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups
have Catholics in them. There’s not a Catholic around who doesn’t know the power
of the Jesuit Order, in their educational power, and the power of
We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was
writing speeches for Nixon for $35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout
the government. There’s not any intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in
these Right-Wing Movements who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuits.
THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE PRESS WON’T
TALK ABOUT THEM.
So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading
Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.
Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another
Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed, just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting
to create a national backlash or agitation against the Right-Wing Movement
people, because a lot of the Right-Wing Movement people are true patriots who
want their liberty; they want to maintain their guns; they want freedom to
educate their children as they wish; they’re decent people, but they are not
aware that the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.
So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma
City bombing to justify going after these Right-Wing, conservative, many of them
Bible-believing, people in this movement, for their round-up and extermination.
But it didn’t quite work.
So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy
McVeigh. That whole execution could have been stayed with one phone call from
the Archbishop of New York to the Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do
That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the
creation of anti-Right-Wing feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the
Right-Wing organizations, will betray their own people, just exactly as the
White Russians were betrayed during the Communist Revolution from
Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed
his armies to the East, cut-off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow,
froze them in the snows of Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the
East, abandoned 250,000 men; that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our
Right-Wing patriotic people who are the only bulwark against tyranny in this
Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before
we get to the present day, let’s stop for a minute, once again, and talk about
JFK’s assassination. I’m going to mention a few names, and then let’s talk about
the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and the reasons why.
John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop
of New York; Henry Luce; Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these
names important? What are their relationships? And WHY would you point the
finger at someone like the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all
people, to place the responsibility for the JFK assassination directly at the
Vatican? How can you justify that?
Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we
ask the question, again: Who benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK?
Well, we know, according to the works of the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was
going to end the Vietnam War in 1965. We also know that JFK was going to end the
reign of the CIA, and all of their military, covert operations were going to be
handed-over to the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited, and those
who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.
We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War?
Well, we know that many factions did, but we see, openly and in our face,
Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was
Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman Catholic, persecuting the Buddhists. And his
brother was head of the Secret Police. So, Diem was Cardinal Spellman’s man in
Vietnam. Diem was assassinated because Kennedy withdrew the CIA representative
out of Saigon.
The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam
War, would travel over there at the war-front and he’d call the soldiers the
“soldiers of Christ”, according to Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam:
Why Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal
Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, and if the
Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Black Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit
Martin: Who was?
Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From
1964 to 1983 or so, it was Pedro Arrupe.
Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an
Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that
agenda was to annihilate as many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists
have always been the enemies of the Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in
1873, what did they do? They outlawed, they made it so that the government of
Japan would not support the Buddhist religion anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be
the state religion. So they’ve always been the enemy of the
The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a
$220 billion dollar debt for the American people, and that debt was incurred by
the Congress, who borrowed that money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve
So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of
“heretics”. They preserved the CIA.
Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set-up
by one particular man, Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s
most sinister General. And so, he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence
apparatus into the CIA in the West. It was also incorporated into the KGB in the
East. They were called “Freedom Fighters”; they were really working for the KGB,
these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the KGB, he controls the
Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the
voucher system for public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The
Vatican wants the American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because,
remember, Roman Catholicism, left to itself, without government support,
crumbles. It has nothing to offer. There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of
THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON’T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF CHURCH
PROPERTY. THEY DON’T OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT’S ALL OWNED BY THE
They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America
that’s not good enough. Catholic people don’t want that in America. Catholic
people, for the most part, enjoy freedom of press, and freedom of speech, and
freedom to make a profit; all of those things the Vatican does not want. A case
in point is all of South America and Central America.
Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact
that there have been 100-200 people killed who knew anything about the JFK
assassination—why do you think it’s never come out?
Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of
Malta, of which McCone was a member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley
was a member, Lee Iacocca was a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member,
etc. They control the press! And they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man
named Frank Shakespeare, who was a Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC,
CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that’s why Time/Life attempted to destroy the
I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black
Pope” interview we did back in May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since
that time, there has not been one Roman Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted
to contact me in any way, denying that Cardinal Spellman did this; not one.
But we have several clandestine Jesuits who are in complete agreement, and who
admit that this is exactly what was done.
Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been
accused of hiding Opus Dei in the background as being the real power behind the
Vatican, and therefore, the power over the Jesuits. Have we conspired to
withhold the mention of Opus Dei in our discussions?
Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to
the Pope, who is in control of the Knights of Malta, and therefore there are
Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.
The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the
Pope and through the Knights of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman
Catholic businessmen and politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s
work”—that’s what Opus Dei means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of
the world, ruling the world from Solomon’s rebuilt temple in
An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis
Freeh, was a member of Opus Dei.
And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those
White Protestants were killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have
to remember that the sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman
Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.
But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under
the Pope. Opus Dei was created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta
were created in the 11th Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th
Century, in 1540, with Ignatius Loyola.
So, the super-secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control
of the Knights of Malta, were in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei.
Opus Dei, like the Knights of Columbus, is a subordinate organization to the
Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put
temporarily to rest—until the book comes out!—let’s talk about the present
There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be
aware of and concerned about. I’ll just mention a few countries, and then we can
begin: Israel, Cuba, China, North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our
relationship with these countries? How are we going to be sucked-in to a
conflict? And what are the ramifications going to be? Lines in the sand are
being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful nations, and why
should we be concerned about that?
That’s a big question.
Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a
piece at a time, if I may.
I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire
that was established in 1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal
Republic or the Confederate Republic of sovereign nation states that Washington
established in 1789.
The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to
restore the temporal power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the
last 100 years. And that’s why they have garrisoned American troops throughout
the world. That’s why they have laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal
income tax, with which they finance these crusades around the world.
So, their American Empire has served them well in the
restoration of the temporal power of the Pope around the world, especially over
Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China, Buddhist Japan, South and Central America
through the CIA; this is the purpose for the British and America Empires. They
used the British Empire in the 19th Century to do this, and they used the
American Empire in the 20th Century to do this. So they take the most powerful
Protestant empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and use such
for their own purposes.
Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it
is time to destroy it. And we must remember that America is the haven for the
Jews of the world, which the Jesuits have accursed; it is the haven for
Bible-believing Protestants, called “heretics”, who the Jesuits have accursed;
and it is the haven for peoples of many, many different races who simply want to
have some liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the Jesuits have
The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many
nationalities now. We are no longer a White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant nation, as
we were. We are composed of a host of different nationalities, with a host of
religious beliefs, and thus this nation has been fragmented and agitated and is
a disconcerted mess, with no real national purpose anymore.
The Jesuits have fired-up the Negro agitation of the Civil
Rights Movement. They continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies
as Roots, etc.
They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an
agitator to begin with. When he came back from Mecca, he changed his story and
denounced the Nation of Islam, along with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they
both had the same paymasters”. And he was absolutely right. They have agitated
and broken apart this country, so we have no more national purpose.
The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us.
They’ve closed-down over 100 military bases. We have no domestic defense. The
foreigners, the Mexicans come across the borders by the thousands, and the major
corporations hire them, and they do their work for them, which is all illegal.
It should be punished by law. But we have no punishment by law in this country
So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal
immigrants. We have the destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases
to be White, it will cease to be great, because there is not a nation in the
world that’s a nation of color that can compete on the international scale of
business and trade and commerce; they can’t do it.
A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color,
is Cuba. Cuba used to be a prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the
amalgamation and inter-racial marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman
Catholic, Jesuit-trained Dictator named Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable
place to live. And that is EXACTLY what this country is going to be like if it
continues on the track it is now on.
The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire
that they have used for the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they
are going to break apart the Empire.
And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve
done is they’ve created this issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese
fishing boat, killing all the Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper
was court-martialed. But nonetheless, it was a deliberate act of murder, because
with that kind of technology on a submarine, you just don’t hit a boat. And you
just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine either. That’s ridiculous.
So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this
They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like
China, with the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They’re creating
agitations with China, Japan, which will ultimately result in Japan and China
uniting. With the military power of China, with the economic power of Japan—when
already Hong Kong has been given to China, which now, because of that financial
might, China is able to take control of the Panama Canal; they control the canal
locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are now building the
largest shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red Chinese. The
Red Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now
So they are in a position now to be able to establish a
beach-head when they invade.
The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China
doesn’t have the fleet right now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the
largest merchant marine fleet in the world. And we are very much deceived into
thinking that China and Russia are enemies. They are not enemies; they work
together. They are controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The Jesuits run Peking;
they also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run the dictator
of Russia. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names are.
The Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they’re out! Just like in the
So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re
creating a huge coalition of Oriental nations for our invasion.
Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I
understand it, Chinese troops in Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators
in the Kennedy assassination and the Watergate cover-up, is now the false
Bible-believer, the false Protestant. He’s working for the Jesuits because the
head of his prison fellowship is a Roman Catholic.
Colson now is being used to try to get an American military
force into the Sudan to save these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman
Catholics. If that is accomplished, if that is done, we are now going to have a
large military force in the Sudan, and there’s a large military force in
Somalia. What do you think it would take for those two military forces to
And if those military forces clash, we will have an
escalation in Africa, which I believe is what the Jesuits want. Because, if that
happens, there can be a surgical strike into Jerusalem for the blowing-up of the
Dome of the Rock. The Moslems, the Muftis, have known that was the intent of the
Zionists for years, the blowing of the Dome of the Rock, so that Solomon’s
Temple can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre van Paassen’s
great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this coalition
with the 14th Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa,
this could happen.
Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the
Dome of the Rock? Well, the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third
most important holy place in their religion. They would call for a Jihad against
“The Great Satan”, the United States. And with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the
United States, they would then go across Africa to West Africa. There will
probably be a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried across the
Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base
for the invasion of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant
bastion of liberty in the world.
Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a
Christian; in fact, it is a virtuous act.
So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of
Moslem troopers will be landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the
South of the United States, coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with,
probably, also a Chinese military force coming from the West Coast, and coming
up through the Panama Canal to unite with them in the attack of the American
South. With the blood bath that will ensue, this whole coalition of nations:
China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the destruction and
annihilation of this North American population, WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it
definitely includes Canada.
It is for this reason, because the government is controlled
by the Jesuits, the government of the United States is seeking our total
disarmament and the abolition of all gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit
Conference, for years, has been anti-gun-ownership, meaning handguns, rifles,
So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our
military cut way down, we have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no
Army—it’s a totally demoralized Army, with this forced integration; and we have
Black supremacy in the Army.
I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my
own eyes. So, we have a demoralized American Army that doesn’t know what to
Martin: Let me just jump-in here to say that Bush is
beefing-up the military, reversing what was done previously by Clinton. How can
you say we have a weak Army when we’re about to spend billions beefing up our
defenses? Is this just a show?
Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who
controlled Clinton are the same Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were
already scaling-down with Carter and Reagan and Ford.
And so, this whole idea of re-armament, it might be for some
super-system of preventing missiles from coming in, an anti-ballistic missile
system, but that’s ridiculous, because we know there is no such thing as
universal nuclear war. We have no evidence that incoming nukes can detonate a
We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and
Nagasaki, but they have contorted that into the hoax of thermo-nuclear war,
which I do not believe can happen. Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen;
William Cooper doesn’t believe it can happen; and other physicists don’t believe
it can happen. Other physicists don’t believe it’s possible, which now limits us
to a standing army of men who know how to fight, which we do not have. We don’t
have it anymore.
So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a
disarmed population, it would be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was
invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers. They landed in the Canary Islands, and
from the Canary Islands they then invaded Spain, and they were led by a Roman
Catholic Archbishop who was backing Franco! This is in the 1930s.
If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they
used Moslems to kill Orthodox Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn’t
they use Moslems to kill Protestant Americans? If they used Moslems to kill
Roman Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t they do the same thing here? Sure they would.
So that’s what is happening in the United States.
Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going
over there and theoretically being given a hard time by the European community?
What do you see happening in Europe right now?
Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first
maxim of reading.
Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all
originated with the Jesuits in the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman
Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in
1942—a reunited Holy Roman Empire with a Catholic Germany at it’s
Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on
this one person?
Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he
adds to the color we’re given.
Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way
because not all of our readers will be aware of the extent of the bibliography
supporting the contentions of your research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.
Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The
Bible-believers of England are greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit-controlled
Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England into that Union. And Bush is helping
to co-ordinate that, because the Federal Reserve Bank, the largest bank in the
world, is one of the greatest contributors, or players, in international
Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn
of the Jesuit Order?
Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish
Zionist and a pawn of the Jesuit Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have
visible Jews at the head of the Federal Reserve System so they can blame all the
evils of the Federal Reserve Bank on the Jews.
We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of
the most powerful Federal Reserve Bank—because there are 12 of them—in New York
is a man named McDonough. He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a friend, a bosom-buddy of O’Hare, who is the
President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of Fordham University.
Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s
always Jews, Jews, Jews. Jews are just pawns. They’ve always been the bankers
for the Pope. The Masonic Jewish bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And
before the Rothschild's, it was the Fuggers.
Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose
Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman
Senate. The Pope is really the Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by
Roman Senators, as to who will be their leader for World Government under the
7th Roman Caesar, who’s yet to come. And so, the ones who do the electing are
Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very
frail man. Has he served well? Is that why he’s been allowed to stay on so
Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit
Order perfectly. This supposed rift between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the
Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in Central America, is all for public
consumption. That Pope is completely emasculated with regard to the power of the
The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic
Wars, the killing of Pope Pius VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration
by Pius VII.
THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PAPACY,
AND THEY ARE THE ONES IN POWER.
Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy,
the Secret Police or the SS were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are
the Secret Police of the Vatican Empire. They keep things in order. Without the
Jesuit Order, the Vatican and the Papacy and the hierarchy would fall
Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.
Martin: Let’s talk about that.
Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name
was Ganganelli. He was elected Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon
monarchs—the Bourbon King of Spain, the Bourbon King of France, and the
Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope would be brought to power who
would suppress the Jesuit Order, because the Jesuits were busy making billions
in South America, and never gave a dime to the Portuguese King and the Spanish
Martin: How were they making money in South
Phelps: They were making money in South America with
Martin: What are Reductions?
Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a
Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in Russia.
Martin: And what years are we talking
Phelps: We’re talking between 1600-1750, roughly 150
years of these Reductions, where these Garani Indians were putting hides and
tallow and clocks and the Paraguay herb and many, many commodities into
international shipping and trade—which the Jesuits shipped all around the world
with their “Black Ships”, and had HUGE commercial profits with which they
started banks in Europe and then funded wars. And one of the projects that they
funded were the Napoleanic Wars.
Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits
with a Papal Bull?
Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was
the Bull. That is its formal name.
Martin: What is a Bull?
Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope
speaks within his most powerful method of speaking. It’s sealed with “the seal
of the fishman”. A “brief” does not have that seal. A brief is a less powerful
document; it can be overruled with a Bull.
Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull
eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?
Phelps: Forever! After a 4-year investigation of all
their intrigues, of all their power, of all their wealth, of all their
buildings, everything, after a 4-year investigation they were abolished by
Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement XIII was about to do the same thing when,
the night before, he was poisoned.
So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4-year
investigation, he suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: “This
suppression will be my death.”
Martin: And it was.
Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was
poisoned by the Jesuits with a poison called Aquetta.
It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have
terrible, terrible pain. And when he was embalmed, the intestines exploded and
they could not have an open-casket for viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of
his fingers; his fingernails turned black; his skin turned black; all his hair
fell out; so they decided they could not have an open display of the Pope in his
garb. So they had a closed casket.
Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT
dismantling of the Jesuit Order, was later overruled?
Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be
overruled at all?
Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull.
Even though, according to Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and
according the Cusack’s The Black Pope, even though they said it was a Bull, and
Thompson said it was in the Library of the Bulls in Rome, even though it’s a
Bull, the Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And, therefore, Pope Pius
VII, upon their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits, which
“overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.
BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND THEIR
[contrived] RESTORATION WAS A BULL.
Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re
just going to go with the flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their
instructions to the Queen? Where is their seat of power in England,
Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is
Stonyhurst University. An English Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the
Jesuits in, I believe, 1795—about the time of the French Revolution and just
before the Napoleonic Wars.
Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they
would control England. And they were brought into England and helped at that by
King George III. King George was the bosom-buddy of the Jesuits. And the English
monarchs have been their bosom-buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a
few years; I believe he reigned for nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the
very same thing; she ruled from 1837-1901.
So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely
controlled England through Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal
Institute for International Affairs. And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is
the Archbishop of Westminster.
So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and
they have the Archbishop of New York in the United States. They rule England
through Stonyhurst. They rule the United States through Georgetown and Fordham.
They rule England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs. They
rule the United States through the Council on Foreign Relations.
It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an
Empire. It is a Vatican Empire. That’s how they rule.
In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the
Armenian Church. So, the Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New
York. And it’s the Patriarch, there in Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the
inquisition there, called the gulag. Agagianian was the Patriarch who was
appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII, the very same year, 1946, that Cardinal
Spellman was made Cardinal for the American Empire.
Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of
Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics,
Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia takes care of all organized crime. They took
care of the booze, before it was legalized. They took care of prostitution, the
drug running, gun running, all the crime is organized by the Vatican, through
the Mafia families—the five Mafia families of New York.
It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is
in the same location, and not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the
Archbishop is very close to his mob bosses.
Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using
Lucky Luciano, called Operation Underworld. Here’s Spellman working with Lucky
Luciano for a “successful Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is
influential and causes the release of Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy.
So we have the relationship of Cardinal Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal
Spellman had that power, every Cardinal afterward has the same power. They don’t
lose any power.
Now, one of the most obvious connections between the
Archbishop of New York and the mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good
bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu
shot. They wanted him out of the way, so they murdered him with a flu shot.
Frank Sinatra was also a Knight of Malta, who is subject, then, to the
Archbishop of New York. So, you have the Archbishop controlling the Knights of
Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of a
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the
Jesuits were behind her take-out?
Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British
Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat
to the Jesuits?
Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem,
Dodi Fayed, that would have overturned the Throne of England, because she still
had rights through her children. Because her sons would one day occupy the
British throne, and if she is alive with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a
problem in England. Because everybody knows that the Queen Mother, really, has a
lot of control over the King. And there would have been an Islamic, Arab
influence on the Queen, who would influence her son, who would be King, who is
Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the
Jesuit Order, knew that she was pregnant with Dodi’s child?
Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of
her—absolutely. And they sent a message to all the other British nobility by
saying: “If you do this, we’re going to do the same thing to you.” Furthermore,
they buried her in the cemetery, on the Windsor property, where only dogs are
buried. She’s buried with dogs.
Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?
Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their
Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we
shared an article from Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the
Jesuits, but he talks about the incredible financial influence, and power, and
control in California and elsewhere by the Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is
there any relationship between the Yakuza and the Jesuits?
Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To
understand this, we have to go back in the history of Japan. Japan had,
wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits from their Empire around 1619,
give or take a few years. The Jesuits were forbidden to ever enter
The Japanese, then, kicked-out the Portuguese; they
kicked-out the Spanish. The only ones who could ever trade with Japan were the
Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well, when the Jesuits were beginning to get
control of our country, they got control of Polk. And Polk was responsible for
the sending of Commodore Perry to Japan.
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1853-1854. He then opens up Japan to international
trade. So now “foreigners” can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an
agitation and a revolution in Japan. The reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a
young man about 35, wanted to get rid of the Jesuits and these foreign powers,
so he was assassinated.
According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had
been taught that he was killed by Sassoon House—the Jews. But the Emperor was
really killed by the Jesuits, because the son of this Emperor later went on to
rule Japan from 1873 to 1912, and this Emperor was the grandfather to
This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He
ruled for all those years. The Jesuits during that time dis-established the
Buddhists as a state religion, and made tremendous inroads in power in Japan,
controlling the Dynasty, because they were going to use Japan to foment a war
with the United States for the purpose of eliminating as much Buddhism as they
could from the Far East, and weakening the American Protestants, and many other
purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the Far East—whereas
the Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And this is
according to the Jesuits’ own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or
This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor,
and thus the Yakuza. So now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that
power. They maintained power over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the
Yakuza today, in Japan and California.
Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai
Pan. Now, would a Tai Pan, symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black
Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret
Society that really rules.
Martin: Theoretically they would rule
Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.
Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?
Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in
control of the Monarch of Japan.
Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit
Order is NOT a religious order, it is a MILITARY ORDER.
Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb
to get into a country to talk about Christ and God and so forth, they really
want to capture the power and wealth of every country, to submit every country
to the temporal, Earthly, political power of the Pope.
Martin: I don’t want to get too far off-subject here, but
would you say “As with the Jews, so with the Yakuza”?
Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with
the Masonic Yakuza. They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into
Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling
Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of
the Masonic rites.
Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do
you base that?
Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I
reference in the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees
of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry, from the College of Clermont, which was
changed to the College of Louis LeGrand, in Paris, France.
Martin: What year?
Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those
Martin: Do you have any names behind that?
Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier
de Bonneville was one. Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those
were Jesuits. And we have Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And
it was the Rothschild Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits
And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro
Arrupe was a Mason, and Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a
Mason AND in the Communist Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit
So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the
writing of the last 8 degrees of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the
Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected the Jesuits and gave them the ability
to live in his country, while they were being suppressed by the Pope.
Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza.
According to Skolnick, the Yakuza own many, many businesses in this country,
many, many banks are owned and controlled in California and elsewhere by the
Yakuza. Now, are you saying that’s just a front?
Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia,
like the Italian Mafia, which is the foremost Mafia in organized
Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t
Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney.
It is just a front. They hold the property, they hold the money for the
Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party
that we talked about?
Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party.
And I tend to also believe that there is some kind of hand involved in the
murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was not going along with the Catholic
Martin: And he was giving away secrets.
Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and
so on, and he was not going along with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with
Hollywood, and most of his films were made in Hong Kong.
Martin: And his son was also killed not long
Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie-making set
also. So his son knew something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda
Lee doesn’t open her mouth. So there are two murders here that the Secret
Societies are involved in.
Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy.
Has your research uncovered any names behind Bobby Kennedy’s
Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar
really pulled the trigger, shot him in the back of the head with a twenty-two.
And Officer Cesar was an employee for Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits,
according to Avro Manhattan, control Lockheed.
So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to
drive the bullet-ridden limousine of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to
get repaired, even so, some Knight of Malta in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I
don’t know who it was, dispatches Officer Cesar to be a guard of Robert F.
Kennedy—who then, in turn, shoots and kills him. And Sirhan was a scapegoat,
just like Oswald was a scapegoat.
Martin: What do you have to say about Earl
Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits
when he was the governor of California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister
individuals behind that evil and terrible Japanese concentration camp system.
That was his brainchild. He was behind the anti-Jap agitation in World War
The Japanese are decent, law-abiding, peaceful people, for
the most part. They had all their farms taken from them. They were in control of
all of the produce, and they had it all stolen from them by Roman Catholic,
Knight of Malta-controlled corporations—just as was done to the American Indian.
They went into their burial grounds and stole all their gold, and used their
missions to send it back to Rome.
So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so
they named him and put him on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief
He was a 33rd-degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy
assassination, forced amalgamation, forced race-mixing with the Supreme Court
decision in 1966, forced integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education
Martin: I’m going to ask you
now a very important question, one that will be on the minds of many people:
Why should our readers not feel that you are merely substituting the word JESUITS
for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit people? Why
is that not so?
Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous
difference between the Jesuit Order and the Jewish race.
We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t
know. I think only God knows who it is. But it’s a civilization of people who
are engaged in commerce and trade, and they have cultures, they have
Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath.
When you become professed of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret
According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree
beyond the 4th Degree, where it’s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to
Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously in a plane crash in Alaska on September 2,
1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the chief guys in the Seventh Day Adventists, and
he was a master of Jesuit history. You can get his videos, Secrets Of The
Jesuits, from L.L.M. Productions.
But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits
is strictly—one is a people, and one is an Order determined to subvert all
nations to the jurisdiction of the Pope.
And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book
version of VATICAN ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on CD-ROM, with four
distinct different histories showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly
what they were doing then, and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.
Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying?
Rather than just being another wild conspiracy theory, it’s your position that
you’ve really proven that this is a fact, and not fantasy?
Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just
reiterate what they’ve said.
If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same
thing. She was a nun, a converted nun to Christ in 1896.
Martin: And why is she so important?
Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with
priests, and especially Jesuits, prior to her conversion to Christ. She would
know; she was on the inside.
Martin: Why is that book so important?
Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out
of every library in the world! There is only one in existence that I know of,
that’s publicly accessible, and that is in the British Museum.
It’s also accessible on the CD-ROM included with the book
VATICAN ASSASSINS, for those of your readers who would like it. But, other than
that, it’s a suppressed document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those
are the four major histories of the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD-ROM
[along with a number of other rare and otherwise “missing” research
Martin: So you’re saying that the time-lines that you
put forth, and the conclusions that you draw, are really based on historical
experts over the last two centuries? This is not just your position?
Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of
giants, as a little cricket. These people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an
Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ, involved in the Italian Revolution
of 1848, had to flee for his life, was in exile in England, and there he wrote
his great History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits sought to
destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under
Martin: And they have.
Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor
Griesinger, who was the great German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by
the German people—823 pages of meticulous documentation of all their doings in
all the countries. And he was the one, I learned, who said the Jesuits could
very well be planning a second Thirty-Years War, another Thirty-Years War. And
he wrote that, the second edition was in 1873.
[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and
diabolical “Thirty-Years War” did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric
mentioned earlier in this interview in conjunction with financing it through the
setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank fraud.]
So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite
evident the purpose and power of the Jesuit Order.
We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive
history of what they’ve accomplished from 1900-2000. I would hope that somebody
who knows these histories, who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write
nice prose (unlike myself) would be able to do this, and write a real modern
history of this. Ridpath came close to it, but he ended his work in the
mid-1850s, with his Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World]. We have not had
a significant historian do this modern work for us.
Martin: And why is that?
Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges
and universities bought and paid for! And these universities won’t get grants if
they start to expose the Jesuit Order.
Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully
said about the Jesuit Order will generate attempts to contort it into some kind
of a hate crime, which is NOT what we’re doing. We are merely telling the
Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in
America? What would you like to see, ultimately, happen in this
Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see
happen is exactly what happened in England in the 16th Century, when several
Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent, powerful Jesuits, involved in the
conspiracy to overthrow England.
They told the powers-that-be about what they were supposed to
do, and as a result, the government of England expelled the Jesuits from their
dominions, because they were regarded as traitors and conspirators in the
overthrow of legitimate government—of self-rule, of nationalism; a country
should be ruled by its own people.
The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order,
that they would be outlawed and banned.
There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could
come forward, tell what they know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that
when this government is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, which is
controlled by the Jesuits? The government is controlled by the Jesuits through
the mob and high-level Freemasonry.
Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the
difference between that and racial persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is
based on treason, which is a lawful conclusion based on your research concerning
what their true aims and objectives are—namely, the overthrow of this
Phelps: The usurping of this government, the
controlling of this government for their own purposes. And then using this
government, with a coalition of other governments they control, for the
annihilation of the “heretic” and “liberal” population of this country, pursuant
to the Council of Trent, that every Pope swears upon his coronation to
Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to
clarify these many points about the Jesuit Order. Our readers will really
appreciate this as you offer much food for both thought AND action!
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Pressing my hand convulsively in his, he answered:
"Dear Father Chiniquy, you do not yet know the awful
calamity which has befallen me this night?"
"What calamity?" I asked.
"Do you not remember," he answered, "that young
priest who was sitting at your right hand last evening? Well! he
went away, during the night, with the wife of a young man, whom
he had seduced, and stole four thousand dollars from me before he
"I am not at all surprised at that, when I remember how
that priest emptied his glasses of beer and wine last night,"
I answered. "When the blood of a man is heated by those
fiery liquors, it is sheer absurdity to think that he will keep
his vow of chastity."
"You are right! You are right! God Almighty has punished
me for breaking the public pledge I had taken never to drink any
intoxicating drinks. We want a reform in our midst, and we will
have it,'" he answered. "But what horrible scandal! One
of my young priests gone with that young wife, after stealing
four thousand dollars from me! Great God! Must we not hide our
face now, in this city?"
I could say nothing to alleviate the sorrow of the poor bishop,
but to mingle my tears of shame and sorrow with his. I went back
to my room, where I wept a part of the day, to my heart's content,
on the unspeakable degradations of that priesthood of which I had
been so proud, and about which I had such exalted views when I
entered its ranks, before I had an inside view of its dark